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Deletions
447 deletions here. Mainly in the name of theme, trying to make the list more Tolkienian. Individual notes are under the individual sections. Gone is Zang and Cth, gone is (most) of the D&D / AD&D stuff. I'm not getting rid of everything not explicitly mentioned in Tolkien, although it may seem like it.
(OK 477 out of 1078 monsters is a pretty big slash)
With Furiosity's permission, I'll be importing quite a few of the monsters from her truly magnificent Theme module for further Tolkienian flavour...
Comments are, as always, welcome.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Corpser, Flamer of Tzeentch, Magic mushroom patch, Quiver slot |
Delete, Unthematic |
Not sure about the magic mushroom patch, but…
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Bouncing mine, Chaos tile, Colour out of space, It, Landmine, Lurker, Null, the Living Void, Rocket mine, Space monster, Time bomb, Trapper |
Delete, Unthematic |
Lots of obvious stuff here.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Raal's Tome of Destruction |
Delete, Unthematic |
Why this was still here, I'll never know.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Doppelganger |
Delete. What's this doing here? |
See "?"
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Hellblade, The Stormbringer |
Delete, Unthematic |
Sorry, Moorcock fans.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Charybdis, Flying polyp, Giganto, the Gargantuan, Glaaki, Moby Dick, the White Whale, Seahorse, Sky whale |
Delete, Unthematic |
Cth stuff and some underwater silliness.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Stairway to Hell |
Delete, Unthematic |
All in the name of a bad pun
A
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Angel, Archangel, Archon, Azriel, Angel of Death, Cherub, Fallen angel, Gabriel, the Messenger, Seraph, Uriel, Angel of Fire |
Delete, Unthematic |
This clears out the "A" for use for other monsters (Possibly A for Arachnid)
B/b
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Blue Firebird, Blue Thunderlord, Bronze Firebird, Bronze Thunderlord, Brown Firebird, Brown Thunderlord, Flare, rider of bronze Moonth, Gold Firebird, Gold Thunderlord, Green Firebird, Green Thunderlord, Lisa, rider of gold Romth, Marda, rider of gold Laronth, Mongbat, Sarko, rider of gold Foronth, The Phoenix, Trone, the Rebel Thunderlord |
Delete, Unthematic |
<sniff> Farewell Pern, farewell…
C/c
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Carrion crawler, Carrion crawler, Fenris Wolf, Fleshhound of Khorne, Garm, Guardian of Hel, Mine-dog, Weir, Wolfhound of Flora |
Delete, Unthematic |
Needs little discussion.
D/d
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Ancient blue dragon, Ancient bronze dragon, Ancient dragon turtle, Ancient gold dragon, Ancient green dragon, Ancient multi-hued dragon, Baby blue dragon, Baby bronze dragon, Baby dragon turtle, Baby gold dragon, Baby green dragon, Baby multi-hued dragon, Balance drake, Chaos drake, Crystal drake, Dracolisk, Ethereal drake, Fafner the Dragon, Fastitocalon, Great Bile Wyrm, Great crystal drake, Great Storm Wyrm, Great Swamp Wyrm, Great Wyrm of Balance, Great Wyrm of Chaos, Great Wyrm of Law, Great Wyrm of Many Colours, Great Wyrm of Perplexity, Great Wyrm of Power, Great Wyrm of Thunder, Kavlax the Many-Headed, Law drake, Mature blue dragon, Mature bronze dragon, Mature dragon turtle, Mature gold dragon, Mature green dragon, Mature multi-hued dragon, Nidhogg, the Hel-Drake, Pseudo dragon, Sky Drake, Young blue dragon, Young bronze dragon, Young dragon turtle, Young gold dragon, Young green dragon, Young multi-hued dragon |
Delete, Unthematic |
Big change. Gone are the multi-coloured dragons. What will be left is Black, White (AKA Cold-Drakes) and Red (being those which were defined) by Tolkien. To compensate for the reduction in variety, those remaining will become a hell of a lot tougher. Will also deny flight to the flightless and flame to the flameless. Don't get cocky though...
E/e
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Ariel, Queen of Air, Azathoth, the Daemon Sultan, Beholder, Beholder hive-mother, Chaos spawn, Cthugha, the Living Flame, Cyaegha, Death orb, Gas spore, Gauth, Invisible stalker, Omarax the Eye Tyrant, Pazuzu, Lord of Air, Quaker, Master of Earth, Shambler, Shuma-Gorath, Time elemental, Undead beholder, Unmaker, Vargo, Tyrant of Fire, Waldern, King of Water |
Delete, Unthematic |
Bye Bye beholders. Haven't touched the floating eyes, although they're not strictly Tolkienian…
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Deletion Reason |
Displacer beast, Freesia, Hellcat, Hobbes the Tiger |
Delete, Unthematic |
G/g
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Auto-roller, Colbran, Death, Dread, Dread, Dreadlord, Dreadmaster, Drolem, Drowned soul, Eog golem, Famine, Fat Man, Fire Phantom, Gnoph-Keh, Juggernaut of Khorne, Little Boy, Pestilence, Phantom beast, Phantom warrior, The Borshin, The Destroyer, The Ultimate Dungeon Cleaner, Tselakus, the Dreadlord, War |
Delete, Unthematic |
Dread and Phantom Foos are the main casualties here.
H/h
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Deletion Reason |
Artsi, the Champion of Chaos, Baphomet the Minotaur Lord, Behemoth, Bullywug, Bullywug shaman, Bullywug warrior, Carnivorous flying monkey, Chaos beastman, Chaos shapechanger, Cheerful leprechaun, Death leprechaun, Dimensional shambler, Ewok, Giant headless, Hastur the Unspeakable, Headless, Jabberwock, Keeper of Secrets, Leprechaun fanatic, Malekith the Accursed, Malicious leprechaun, Mathilde, the Science Student, Mermaid, Mind flayer, Nibelung, Nightblade, Owlbear, Santa Claus, Servitor of the outer gods, Shadow Creature of Fiona, Shantak, The Norsa, Y'golonac, Zog |
Delete, Unthematic |
Gnome mage |
Delete, Gnomes are dead |
Farewell to much silliness…
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Deletion Reason |
Chaos butterfly, Grid bug, Mi-Go, Random Number Generator, Shan, Software bug |
Delete, Unthematic |
I've killed software bugs forever! (except in the code, of course)
J/j
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Abhoth, Source of Uncleanness, Black pudding, Eihort, the Thing in the Labyrinth, Gibbering mouther, Jormungand the Midgard Serpent, Nyogtha, the Thing that Should not Be, Serpent man, Shoggoth, Snake of Yig, Spawn of Ubbo-Sathla, The Serpent of Chaos, Ubbo-Sathla, the Unbegotten Source, Vermicious Knid, Yig, Father of Serpents, Yog-Sothoth, the All-in-One |
Delete, Untheamtic |
Lots of Cth bites the dust here.
K/k
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Aquatic kobold, Kobold, Large kobold, Mughash, the Kobold Lord, Small kobold, Vort the Kobold Queen, Zombified kobold |
Delete, Kobolds are gooooooooooone… |
Tulzscha, the Green Flame |
Delete, Unthematic |
Kobolds are NOT Tolkienian. We lose a little lower level variety, though.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Black reaver, Dracolich, Lesser black reaver, Vecna, the Emperor Lich |
Delete, Unthematic |
AD&D Deletions for the most part.
M/m
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Moldoux, the Defenceless Mold, Scylla |
Delete, Unthematic |
Hydrae SHOULD go, but I'm undecided.
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Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Black naga, Dark naga, Green naga, Guardian naga, Medusa, the Gorgon, Red Naga, Spirit Naga, Water Naga |
Delete, Unthematic |
P/p
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Anti-paladin, Atlas, the Titan, Avatar of Nyarlathotep, Bull Gates, Chaos master, Clairvoyant, Cyclops, Dagashi, Fasolt the Giant, Greater titan, Gug, Hela, Queen of the Dead, Hrungnir, the Stone Giant, Hypnos, Lord of Sleep, Illusionist, Ivory monk, Jack of Shadows, Jade monk, Knight Templar, Kronos, Lord of the Titans, Lesser titan, Loki, the Trickster, Lord of Chaos, Marylene, Heartbreakeress of the Netherworld, Ninja, Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss, Polyphemus, the Blind Cyclops, Robin Hood, the Outlaw, Surtur, the Fire Giant, The Insane Player, The King in Yellow, The Philosophy Teacher, The Physics Teacher, The Variant Maintainer, Thiazi, the Storm Giant, Utgard-Loke, Warrior of the Dawn, Wavelord, Wyrd sister, Yibb-Tstll, the Patient One, Ymir, the Ice Giant, Biclops, Groo, the Wanderer, Martti Ihrasaari |
Delete, Unthematic |
If anyone misses anything here, please let me know!
Q/q
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Beast of Nurgle, Catoblepas, Chaugnar Faugn, Horror from the Hills, Disenchanter beast, Goat of Mendes, Hippocampus, Moon beast, Rust monster, The Greater hell magic mushroom were-quylthulg, The Unicorn of Order |
Delete, Unthematic |
R/r
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Deletion Reason |
Barney the Dinosaur, Basilisk, Bokrug, Godzilla, Greater basilisk, Rat-thing, Skaven, Skaven shaman, Spectral tyrannosaur, The Tarrasque, Tsathoggua, the Sleeper of N'kai, Tyrannosaur, Vlasta, Vorpal bunny, Zoth-Ommog |
Delete, Unthematic |
S/s
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Deletion Reason |
Atlach-Nacha, the Spider God, Drider, Judge Fire, Leng spider, Rhan-Tegoth, Skeletal tyrannosaur, Skeleton kobold |
Delete, Unthematic |
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Deletion Reason |
The Blubbering idiot, agent of black market, Simon the weak, Ettin |
Delete, Unthematic |
Algroth, Eldrak |
Delete, Unthematic (Belgariad, apparently) |
Aklash |
Delete, Unthematic (Harn) |
Never knew those trolls weren't in Tolkien, eh?
U/u
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Arch-vile, Barbazu, Baron of hell, Bile Demon, Bloodletter of Khorne, Bloodthirster, Blue horror, Bodak, Byakhee, Cyberdemon, Daemonette of Slaanesh, Daoloth, the Render of the Veils, Dark young of Shub-Niggurath, Death quasit, Deep one, Draebor, the Imp, Elder thing, Erinyes, Fiend of Slaanesh, Formless spawn of Tsathoggua, Gargoyle, Gelugon, Glabrezu, Glaryssa, Succubus Queen, Great Cthulhu, Great unclean one, Gremlin, Hezrou, Homunculus, Horned Reaper, Hunting horror, Imp, Lemure, Lesser Balrog, Lesser hell-beast, Lord of Change, Manes, Marilith, Mephistopheles, Lord of Hell, Mezzodaemon, Nalfeshnee, Nightgaunt, Nurgling, Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos, Nycadaemon, Oremorj, the Cyberdemon Lord, Osyluth, Pink horror, Pit Fiend, Quasit, Sand-dweller, Shub-Niggurath, Black Goat of the Woods, Star-spawn of Cthulhu, Strygalldwir, Tengu, The Greater hell-beast, The Greater Lag Monster, Vrock |
Delete, Unthematic |
Big losses here. Many of these will be replaced by Theme's demon set (Furiosity, have I ever told you you're my heroine?)
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Deletion Reason |
Ghatanothoa, Lloigor |
Delete, unthematic |
W/w
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Deletion Reason |
Abyss worm mass, Blue dragon worm, Bronze dragon worm, Charon, Boatman of the Styx, Chthonian, Dhole, Feagwath, the Undead Sorcerer, Gold dragon worm, Green dragon worm, Judge Death, Judge Fear, Multi-hued dragon worm, Nightcrawler, Nightwalker, Purple worm, Shudde M'ell, Zephyr Lord |
Delete, Unthematic |
As go the dragons, so go the dragon-worms… NB will need new Pathways of the Dead Guardian…
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Deletion Reason |
Umber hulk, Xaren, Xorn |
Delete, Unthematic |
Y/y
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Deletion Reason |
Blue yeek, Boldor, King of the Yeeks, Brown yeek, Dweller on the threshold, Ithaqua the Windwalker, Kamikaze yeek, Master yeek, Orfax, Son of Boldor, Sasquatch, Yeti |
Delete, Unthematic |
Yeeks are also non-canon, so are GOING…
Z/z
Monsters |
Deletion Reason |
Acid hound, Aether hound, Air hound, Aquatic hound, Chaos hound, Clear hound, Cold hound, Dark hound, Earth hound, Energy hound, Ethereal hound, Fire hound, Ghast, Gravity hound, Hound of Tindalos, Impact hound, Inertia hound, Judge Mortis, Khufu, the Mummified King, Light hound, Multi-hued hound, Nether hound, Nexus hound, Plaguebearer of Nurgle, Plasma hound, Quachil Uttaus, Treader of the Dust, Servant of Glaaki, The disembodied hand that strangled people, Time hound, Vibration hound, Water hound |
Delete, Unthematic |
Zephyr hounds are out. Yep, this changes the game somewhat. Will insert further corrupted natural creatures to give more diversity.
Chatter
AgEnt: How about Quylthulgs? I'm pretty sure they're not mentioned in Tolkien, but then again, they're a major part of the game... Maybe Silent Watchers or something could fill the gap.
RavenRed: Yeah, I know. They're Angband (AFAIK) legacy rather than a later Zang or Pern addition. I'm not really trying for absolute canon, but I'm just chewing over what they could be supplanted with as summonsers...
DarkGod: I like most of it, I'm not sure we should kill kobolds, or maybe replace them goblins? IMO hydras sound "tolkienish" enough, I mean Morgoth could have very well created some and never told anybody 
Hounds certainly need a replacement.. Dragons should be rare beings, but any player should cower in fear when they see one. I didnt check in details Theme demons but they looked fine for the most part. I don't really know what to put to replace Angels.. I also think existing monsters will need to be expanded to keep things varied. And power scales changed, like a troll is a powerful being, not some pushover for anybody with agood enough sword.
- Wastrel: I've always thought that the A's should be 'Ainur' (lesser Valar and Maia) instead of 'Angels'. Its implied in the Silmarillion that there are far more such beings than are given names by Tolkien.
RavenRed: Wastrel, I agree about "Ainur", but there's precious little in Tolkien about WHAT these in fact might be (apart from Balrogs). An All-Unique list of named beings is a possibilty, but that doesn't necessarily add a huge amount of Gameplay. DarkGod: utterly agree with most of your points. Dragons and Trolls should be quite terrible beings that players of most levels should FEAR. Remember that not even Gandalf took on Bill, Tom and Bert directly. For Kobolds, you could always expand Snaga orcs into different varieties. Goblins was another name for Orcs apparently. (Anyone else ever look at the Arda encyclopedia?)
ErintiAkairis: Perhaps generic "Maia of $VALA" monsters (canon would indicate that most of the non-Melkor lot would be friendly or neutral, but perhaps you interrupted Aule's Maia in the middle of a project, or Yavanna's Maia doesn't like you hurting the wildlife, or something like that)? A thematic rename of the "spirits" that turn up in the Void?
NeilStevens: If you compress the dungeon (we don't need 5000' of dungeon), you won't need as many monsters types to keep things varied. Also, try more ego types to help things out.
NerdanelVampire: I thought 3.0 wasn't supposed to change the gameplay much but apparently this is becoming less and less true. Since Zothiqband is a very un-Tolkienish module, it looks like I won't be able to build on the main game's monster file without first tearing down most of it, particularly if general power levels get changed. Is 3.0 in such a state that I can start making monsters for it?
DarkGod: Well 300 will ahve taken about 2 years to come to be, if there was no actual user visible changes, it would bork horribly IMO. And anyway most of those are things I wanted for a long time but never could do because of engine limitations. Now those are gone 
As for satrting your module for 300 now, well that's exactly what I need! But you have to understand you will be working on beta/alpha code, where some things are not yet done. On the other hand you would have the change to influence the late developments to meet your needs(I.e. engine customizability ideas). If you decide to start, I suggest you keep in contact with me as much as possible, IRC is good for quick questions. I'd also like to recrut any able bodied module makers to write a "Day In the Life of a Maker", that is, write about your module making to help others make theirs. In the end we should end with a full featured Module Maker Handbook.
NerdanelVampire: I started quite a while ago by doing minor pieces that looked finished and planning extensively. Maybe I could try monsters now. Since I'm going to include Cth monsters I hope the ELDRITCH_HORROR flag still exists. The C code looked complicated for a newbie to convert into lua. I also hope it is possible to have two subsets of TV_FOOD (mushrooms and apples) use different sets of random flavors. [time passes] Hmm, looks like ELDRITCH_HORROR is still in place at the moment.
KhymChanur: Theme replaced Kobolds with Petty Dwarves; why not do the same?